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Nov. 9th, 2005 @ 10:23 pm Abortion vid
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http://www.silentscream.org/video1.htm

I must say that this was the saddest thing I've ever seen. I honestly cannot understand who can have an abortion and not have any guilt pangs. Warning: do not watch part 4 (perhaps listen to the narration and have another screen over it) if you do not wish to see an aborted baby's body.

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From:crazykins__
Date:November 10th, 2005 10:04 pm (UTC)
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i tried watching that once but i only lasted about 15 seconds before i felt like throwing up
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From:sold2christ
Date:November 10th, 2005 11:44 pm (UTC)
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I forced myself to watch (or at least listen) to all of it. But at one point, I minimized the screen to get at something else and there was a picture of a child's head un next to a leg - and only a leg.

I hope a pro-choicer sees this post and watches the film. I knew what I was in for when the narrator said that the abortionist who watched this refused to back to "work" after seeing the footage during the editing of the film.
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From:kawaiimamimi
Date:November 11th, 2005 03:53 am (UTC)
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I'm not here to troll. I just wanted to let you know that I am pro-choice and I have seen this film, quite a few times actually, and it hasn't done a thing to change my mind. The film has been medically disproven, so it really does nothing to convince my side of, well, anything.
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From:sold2christ
Date:November 11th, 2005 08:04 am (UTC)
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Medically disproven? What part was disproven? Did they describe the abortion procedure incorrectly or something? And how a person can say that they weren't affected after seeing a child's head lying next to a piece of arm is beyond me.
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From:roseofjuly
Date:April 11th, 2006 02:36 am (UTC)
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how a person can say that they weren't affected after seeing a child's head lying next to a piece of arm is beyond me.

That's exactly how the propaganda is designed to be. But if you know the real facts about safe, legal, and early abortion, it WON'T affect you, because you know that stuff isn't true.
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From:crazykins__
Date:November 11th, 2005 08:18 am (UTC)
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medically disproven by who? proaborts? that's what i thought
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From:roseofjuly
Date:April 11th, 2006 02:35 am (UTC)
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No, by sane doctors and researchers.
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From:alive_n_christ
Date:November 12th, 2005 01:16 am (UTC)
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Indeed, how has it been medically disproven?
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From:usagipearl
Date:December 17th, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
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I watched it. I'm pro-choice. Didn't change my mind at all either. All they use in the video is emotion to try and get people on their side (their facts are far gone).
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From:roseofjuly
Date:April 11th, 2006 02:35 am (UTC)
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Ditto here, even though this is a few months later. I am a pro-choicer, I've seen the film, and my mind's not changed about abortion. First of all, the video is medically incorrect, and second of all, only 0.7 % of abortions are done at so late a stage in pregnancy that arms and heads are cut up and can be easily identified.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 14th, 2005 09:26 am (UTC)
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Obviously those are NOT images of an aborted fetus in Part 4. When aborted, a fetus does not come out whole like that. It is torn apart and comes out as a liquid. Don't be naive.
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From:sold2christ
Date:November 15th, 2005 05:20 am (UTC)
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Comes out as a liquid? *eyes buldge* Oookay, whatever! If something is torn apart, it has to be solid, which means those solid pieces would come out. Below is a link detailing several different abortion procedures. None of them describes the child being delivered in a liquid form.

http://www.preciouslife.net/abortion-procedures.asp
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From:alive_n_christ
Date:November 15th, 2005 06:30 am (UTC)
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Exactly! Unless this anonymous person is thinking of the "water" from the womb...but even then, he has to realize there is a solid body in there being formed.
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From:roseofjuly
Date:April 11th, 2006 03:16 am (UTC)
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Dude, this is from preciouslife.net, an anti-abortion site. Do you really think they would describe medically accurate abortion procedures? This page is wrong on several accounts.

SUCTION ASPIRATION:

The description here is COMPLETELY wrong.

Suction/vacuum aspiration is not performed at 2-3 months (8-12 weeks). Most abortion clinics will not perform a suction aspiration, as it is called here, after the 49th-56th day of pregnancy, which is the 7th or 8th week. Most vaccum asirations occur between the 3rd and 9th weeks of pregnancy.

A woman is given an injection to numb her cervix, and possibly a sedative or further anasthetic. A soft flexible tube is inserted into the uterus, and the suction is applied to remove the z/e/f and birth/uterine contents. The procedure takes less than 5 minutes, and there is no "crushing of the skull" or "removing the child piecemeal" from the woman's body.

And assistants do not look for/assemble body parts of the fetus/embryo. At that stage in development, the child doesn't have any identifiable parts yet. Besides, that's why it's called VACUUM/SUCTION aspiration -- the "parts" are sucked into the vacuum. A doctor will perform a sonogram to see if anything is left behind.

Medically accurate VA description: http://www.webmd.com/hw/womens_conditions/tw1078.asp

DILATION AND CURETTAGE:

This is certainly not the way this procedure is carried out. First of all, it's not used for abortion -- it's used in conjunction with abortion to get rid of any remaining debris such as endometrium, placenta, etc. It's used along with a D&E. The baby certainly is not "cut apart" with a curette, for that would entail a doctor reaching both hands inside of a woman's uterus and cutting the z/e/f apart.

Medically accurate site on D&C: http://www.webmd.com/hw/womens_conditions/tw1469.asp



DILATION AND EVACUATION

This section of PL is also completely wrong. Dilation and Evacuation is like a combination of vaccuum aspiration and D&C. The cervix is dilated, anasthesia is given, the zef is suctioned with a tool. There is no chopping, crushing, tearing, or assembling parts -- of these would require the doctor to illogically insert both his hands inside a womans uterus and move them around liberally.

This is a medically accurate description: http://www.webmd.com/hw/inflammatory_bowel/tw2462.asp

I couldn't find information on "salt poisoning" on any legitimate, medically accurate, nonpartisan websites -- not even WebMD, which includes almost everything -- but the very idea is preposterous. The idea that a medically trained doctor would inject "salt water" that's corrosive into the body of a woman -- which could potentially harm her, too -- is ridiculous.

HYSTERECTOMY:

This is almost funny, it's so wrong. A hysterectomy is the partial or total removal of a woman's uterus. For a child to be aborted by hysterectomy, the woman's entire uterus would have to be removed from the woman's body with the embryo inside. This is not medically practical. Doctors do not perform c-sections before women come to term, and this is not a real abortion procedure.

RU 486

The RU 486 does not have serious side effects, and it is not as costly as a surgical abortion. The side effects have been estimated as a "very heavy period," with cramping, bloating, headaches, dizziness, and bleeding. The "serious side effect" often quoted is a very rare infection called sepsis.

http://www.webmd.com/hw/womens_conditions/tw1291.asp